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(10-08-2024, 07:22 AM)California doesn't make it easy to be compliant by there lack of transparency and information available on this topic. At this time you do not have to make a California registered motorhome 2010 compliant. You do have to register it with the CTC-VIS (Clean Air Truck new mandate) and pay the $30 fee, but there is additional information that you provide to a different place to validate that it is an actual motorhome and then it is exempt from this regulation once they confirm that it is an actual motorhome. Wrote:  Motorhomes registered in other states do not have to do any of this, but if they are licensed and registered commercial; as I read it they do have to be compliant.

Can you provide a link to this information? From what I've found in the link above, even outside motorhomes have to be compliant by some time next year.


Jack, that's a bummer about your nephew, but now we all know who to call for 60 series parts.

Carl Little
1996 Coach 435 Detroit 60
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(10-08-2024, 07:50 AM)Jack Houpe Wrote:  Off the subject. Ron I still have friends in Hanford, I was stationed at Lemoore 72-75, use to be a fantastic steak house there in Visalia that looked like a cave on the inside. Smile
 
Small world Jack! We used to live in Hanford and moved to Visalia 7 years ago (22 miles East). My wife has been a teacher on the base in Lemoore for the last 22 years. 

Unfortunately Vida's Italian steak house has been gone for a few years now... used to love it!

Ron & Jennifer Ward
2003 Newell Show Coach #643 (Racer Bus) Triple Slide, DD 60
Visalia, CA

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(10-08-2024, 08:38 AM)cwl1979 Wrote:  
(10-08-2024, 07:22 AM)California doesn't make it easy to be compliant by there lack of transparency and information available on this topic. At this time you do not have to make a California registered motorhome 2010 compliant. You do have to register it with the CTC-VIS (Clean Air Truck new mandate) and pay the $30 fee, but there is additional information that you provide to a different place to validate that it is an actual motorhome and then it is exempt from this regulation once they confirm that it is an actual motorhome. Wrote:  Motorhomes registered in other states do not have to do any of this, but if they are licensed and registered commercial; as I read it they do have to be compliant.

Can you provide a link to this information? From what I've found in the link above, even outside motorhomes have to be compliant by some time next year.


Jack, that's a bummer about your nephew, but now we all know who to call for 60 series parts.
I’m going through this process right now and it looks like I didn’t have the most current information… Sorry to get anyone’s hopes up. Based on what the link above says, Motorhomes for private use that older than 2013 and don’t have OBD system do not have to be brought up to 2010 standards. That is only for commercial trucks and busses. Your motorhome will have to have an opacity (smoke) test and visual inspection to make sure you haven’t modified the original emissions equipment that was available for the year of your coach. The best I can tell is the test is pretty much the same as if it were a diesel pickup.

You have to register your motorhome here:
https://.cleantruckcheck.arb.ca.gov.

Then after you register and pay the fee. They will send you emails from time to time letting you know your status and when it’s time to have your vehicle inspected.

New issue for me… I just received an email from the CTS-VIS that says that the California DMV doesn’t show that my motorhome is a verified motorhome? So even though my title and registration says it’s a motorhome some how that’s not enough. What a bunch of BS! Once I find out what that’s about I’ll let you know.

Update: 10/9 I received a response email after I contested their claim that our Newell coach is not a "Bus" as they had listed it. I said DMV shows that it is a motorhome on both my title and registration and Newell builds motorhomes (coaches) not buses, and it even says so in the link you provided! They responded " Our apologies, DMV does confirm that it is a motorhome and Newell show's that it's a motorhome so disregard this email and we will resolve the issue internally with our technical group... Yeah, that's what I thought!

Now I have to have it emission tested once a year at an approved test facility.

Ron & Jennifer Ward
2003 Newell Show Coach #643 (Racer Bus) Triple Slide, DD 60
Visalia, CA

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Focusing back to ownership of a Newell used for recreational purposes by an entity formed under the laws of the 49 states. 

As I read CARB's requirements, a non-Californian must pre-qualify before entering California by paying a fee and submitting photos, including the registration, plate, interior of vehicle (showing it is a RV) and sides of vehicle (presumably so that AI can identify and exclude the vehicle as it passes a port of entry).  See: https://air.arb.ca.gov/edvr

The question I come back to is this: if the registration shows ownership by an entity, does that mean California will automatically deem it to be commercial in nature (and thus not able to qualify for the exemption)? I suppose I could just pay the $30 and file and see what California says, but I would prefer to learn from someone else's experience if possible.

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From the linked CARB site:

“The Truck & Bus Regulation also does not apply to the following vehicles…:

Motorhomes used for non-commercial private use including vehicles converted to a motorhome. “Motorhome” means a single vehicular unit designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy and built on, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis, chassis cab, or van, which becomes an integral part of the complete vehicle or a vehicle that exclusively tows a trailer that was originally designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy.”


Therefore, unless you’re moving (permanently changing resident status) to California, the only regulations/rules that apply are “rules of the road”. IE- moving or parking violations. A nonresident just visiting the state does not need to do anything else.

This is what’s current. It may/may not change in the future.

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(10-08-2024, 07:33 PM)arcticdude Wrote:  From the linked CARB site:

“The Truck & Bus Regulation also does not apply to the following vehicles…:

Motorhomes used for non-commercial private use including vehicles converted to a motorhome. “Motorhome” means a single vehicular unit designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy and built on, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis, chassis cab, or van, which becomes an integral part of the complete vehicle or a vehicle that exclusively tows a trailer that was originally designed for human habitation for recreational or emergency occupancy.”


Therefore, unless you’re moving (permanently changing resident status) to California, the only regulations/rules that apply are “rules of the road”.  IE- moving or parking violations.  A nonresident just visiting the state does not need to do anything else.

This is what’s current.  It may/may not change in the future.
Read that again. The link i posted says even non residents need to file paperwork and comply

Carl Little
1996 Coach 435 Detroit 60
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Carl,
This is from the link you posted:

“For information on vehicles that are exempt from Clean Truck Check, please refer to the Fact Sheet: Compliance Requirements Overview (link to the passage listed below)”

Which the link then states this:

“Which vehicles are not subject to the regulation?
The heavy-duty vehicle types shown below are not subject to the regulation:
…Motorhomes registered outside of California“


The laws are written in such a way to give enforcement officials extreme latitude. Many folks would not argue, pay what ever fines are incorrectly imposed and go on their way. California has never had clear cut laws.

It’s going to be a mess, no matter how it’s interpreted. Sad, as there are lots of really neat places to explore and things to do in the state.

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(10-08-2024, 08:29 PM)arcticdude Wrote:  Carl,
This is from the link you posted:

“For information on vehicles that are exempt from Clean Truck Check, please refer to the Fact Sheet: Compliance Requirements Overview (link to the passage listed below)”

Which the link then states this:

“Which vehicles are not subject to the regulation?
The heavy-duty vehicle types shown below are not subject to the regulation:
…Motorhomes registered outside of California“


The laws are written in such a way to give enforcement officials extreme latitude.  Many folks would not argue, pay what ever fines are incorrectly imposed and go on their way.  California has never had clear cut laws. 

It’s going to be a mess, no matter how it’s interpreted.  Sad, as there are lots of really neat places to explore and things to do in the state.

In the link i posted it clearly states that even out of state motorhomes need to comply. Date of compliance will correspond to the last digit of their vin number. See table II. Mine being 435 I have to comply by March of next year.
     
I personally could care less for ever visiting California. Their laws are intentionally vague and intentionally traffic congesting, purely to try to justify CARB. Even though they have publicly admitted that it has no effect and actually causes more harm then good. More so because of their dumb speed limit. Same reason i will never personally take a 3 axle vehicle anywhere on the west coast.

Carl Little
1996 Coach 435 Detroit 60
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However this is  the information really requested by the original question. Follow these steps and you'll be fine.
   

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1996 Coach 435 Detroit 60
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