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Electric problem - Georgeb - 12-14-2020
HELP
Trouble started as follows
1-GIRARD awning would not extend
2-Aquahot coolant low (found overflow tube
Leaking, used JB weld to repair) I topped off with coolant, pressure tested and turned Aquahot electric side on
And went home
3-the next morning I went back to check things I found a breaker tripped (it was labeled
Front AC) I reset breaker.....and all heck broke loose
The gen started (all by its self...does not have auto start)
4- i went outside to look over and found wiring on aquahot on fire. I extinguished flames
And then found I couldn’t stop gen. I then pulled out the unit and started trying to remove
Wiring from starter .... but before I could get wires pulled the starter was smoking.
It was a BAD day
After looking over things I decided we needed a new Aquahot and new gen starter
I have tested/checked everything I can think of ...SO I called Newell
Is now in their shop the aqua has been pulled and shipped to MFG for repairs
The gen set has a new starter BUT will not it start...no power to starter
I think some how AC and DC power got crossed (gen started when breaker reset)
Newell guys say that can’t happen .....I think it DID
I need ideas.....think about it....what screwed up
George
RE: Electric problem - bikestuff - 12-14-2020
Here is a shot in the dark
In my coach the generator on off switches are in the galley cabinet and over the dash. Pull those panels loose and look for mice damage. A pesky rodent could easily short the generator start controls. My awning wiring runs thru there as well.
No clue about AC.
Also... where were you plugged in when this happened. Maybe a problem with campground wiring?
Bill
RE: Electric problem - Trainer - 12-14-2020
Wow George, I have never heard of the replacement of a Aqua Hot heater due to a bad wire that can be replaced with the heater in place at an RV park. The reman cost is $8400 plus labor chewing up almost $10,000 for a wire. And, in your case, maybe a Roger Berke Filler Neck Kit, $350.
The new heater will be fitted with the zero pressure coolant tank having the freshwater coil in the coolant tank. This means the tank will be filled with GRAS boiler fluid rather than engine antifreeze. Keep a gallon or so on hand to top off the new overflow bottle that comes with the reman heater.
There is no radiator cap on the new tank, just an open brass elbow. Keep the overflow bottle loaded. If one needs to pour in a gallon or more into the coolant tank, the little elbow is where the air must come out and incoming coolant will air lock. There is a tire air relief valve to help speed things up but not by much. When I need to put coolant into the new tank, I pump it in through the drain vavle so only air goes out the elbow.
You should have very good operation out of the reman heater along with a one year Aqua Hot warranty on the entire heater.
RE: Electric problem - Richard - 12-14-2020
Sorry to hear of this calamity. Since you suspect s short of AC to DC, I would ensure that ALL AC and DC sources are physically disconnected BEFORE I did any poking around.
I would start in a couple of places. I would remove the panels with the gen start switches in the galley and drivers console and take a look see at the wiring. On my coach that is the common place they could meet.
But, if you do indeed have AC on the DC lines it could jump the electronics in thermostats and switches. I would start by making some basic continuity checks between AC and DC systems
And most importantly, I would call my insurance company right away. This could get ugly fast.
RE: Electric problem - Trainer - 12-14-2020
If A/C got onto your 12 vdc circuits, the Aqua Hot is just another worry. AC would not hurt the tank but all 12 vdc components could be fried. If insurance will replace the heater and the many other 12 vdc components in the coach, that would make the situation somewhat eaiser to deal with.
All the best sorting this all out.
RE: Electric problem - bestgenman - 12-15-2020
I suspect the starting of the generator was caused by the remote wiring being involved in another wire shorting event. The generator remote is a three wire system, start, stop, & ground. The start wire became grounded remotely starting the generator. Since there are multiple switch points, any one can be used to operate the set and they are all connected to the set by a plug arrangement. Unplugging that remote cable would have stopped the starting but I’ll bet the starter was already suffering.
Inspect the generator wiring without the remote cable plugged in since that is where the problem started. After it is back to normal, work on the remote wiring.