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Glass Matt Batteries explode - MARKGMC3 - 07-31-2015
Hi,
I have a question about my AGM life-line glass matt batteries. Yesterday i went down to pick up my coach from
having the HWH system fixed & all my coach batteries were dead. When i open the compartment all the battery
cases had been cracked open at the seams. The batteries are going on 4 years old. Does anyone know what would
cause this? Coach is plugged into 120vac 20amp outlet about 5 or 6 months a year.
Replacement cost $676.95 each plus labor (186lb ea). Sure would like to know what caused this.
down & out again.....
Mark
1999 Newell...
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - Richard - 07-31-2015
The charger cooked them. An extreme charge causes the battery to boil and agm batts don't vent. A likely cause is one dead battery or cell. The charger sees low voltage and keeps the charge current up. That cooks the batteries
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - bikestuff - 07-31-2015
Sorry to hear that Mark!
Thanks for the answer Richard....now the 64,000$ question....
How do you keep this from happening? Do you go to the trouble of isolating each battery and testing? It there some tell-tale sign to look for?
My AGM batts are also getting close to 4 years old and I would like to keep them healthy for at least another year or two.
bill
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - truk4u - 07-31-2015
Mark,
I think Richard pretty much nailed it. Your charger(s) may not have got out of Bulk/Absorption and just kept hitting the batteries with full charge because of one or more bad batteries or cells. You could also have an inverter problem as well. You want to make sure you get to Float charge once the inverter parameters have been reached for charging.
I can help you with batteries if you want.
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - MARKGMC3 - 07-31-2015
(07-31-2015, 01:00 PM)truk4u Wrote: Mark,
I think Richard pretty much nailed it. Your charger(s) may not have got out of Bulk/Absorption and just kept hitting the batteries with full charge because of one or more bad batteries or cells. You could also have an inverter problem as well. You want to make sure you get to Float charge once the inverter parameters have been reached for charging.
I can help you with batteries if you want.
Tom,
thanks for the offer & info....already have them on order from Interstate...(6) should be here next Tue.
price is not like the old day's.
Mark
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - Chris Armstrong - 07-31-2015
You may also want to look at your inverter/charger settings and make sure your are not trying to equalize them as agm batteries should never be equalized.
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - Richard - 07-31-2015
Bill,
You asked a great question because few are going to take the trouble of disconnecting each battery and testing on a periodic basis.
The short answer is that you look for the charger to go into the float mode. If it doesn't go into float, or the battery voltage doesn't rise normally on charge, THEN you start looking for a bad battery.
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - Brad Townsend - 08-01-2015
If they were fine before you took the coach in for repair maybe someone created a short. I just replaced all 4 lifeline agm batteries last spring after getting almost 9 years out of my old set. We live off grid 6 months a year with solar panels and used to have a wind turbine that would sometimes under heavy gust put as much as 20 volts into the batteries but only for a short moment. Justin at lifeline said that was ok, because of inconvenience and being less efficient I opted to add another panel and sold the wind turbine.
The batteries will vent somewhat, there is little holes you can see over each cell. I know this because one day while trying to find an air leak with an ultrasound detector and it sounded off when I pointed it at the top of the battery. I trust Lifeline and expect to get more time out of my new set of batteries mainly because I was a green horn learning about solar and proper charging my first 9 years which I think there was some times the batteries were not treated the way they should have been. By the way my old batteries were still in very good condition just not supplying the full amount of amp hours that we depended on each day. The coach still started fine and if the ambient temps were 70+ the house batteries were ok. I estimate by having a Trimetric Battery Monitor that I lost over the the 9 years about 30% capacity from my house batteries. I changed out all 4 batteries because I sometimes merge both banks in cold weather because of the loss in efficiency while cold and when merging both banks the batteries should be the same make and age. If you do not have a Battery monitor there is no way of knowing if your batteries are fully charged. That is why many only get a few years out of your batteries. Trust me I have been doing this for the last 9 years and learned the hard way. There are a couple on this forum that would agree with me because they also have a battery monitor be it a Trimetric or a Bluesky.
If you have a converter you might want to throw it out and get a good 3 stage battery charger or as I did is buy a Magnum inverter with a 125 amp charger built in.
As I said we are off grid 6 months a year and get by without a converter. My old converter was a single stage battery boiler that never properly charged the batteries. While off grid my batteries are charged with a solar charge controller that has the 3 stage charging feature. I believe that all you newelies that are not always plugged in should have a solar panel with a good charge controller and a battery monitor. Because if you are not getting what I got out of your batteries then you have not provided proper charging for your batteries. If you are traveling across country and stop over night at say walmart and use your inverter and draw down your batteries and think your next day of driving will charge the batteries full and stop for another overnight etc. I believe you never really top of your batteries. That is where a solar panel would come in handy.
By the way I paid $625 each for my batteries from Starlight Solar in Yuma az.
One more time, you need a battery monitor and you need to learn how to use it. Lots of money going down the drain otherwise.
Brad
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - dannymarilyn - 09-01-2015
Our boat charger has different settings for AGM versus wet cell batteries. The difference is due to charging characteristics.
If the charger doesn't have an AGM settings, I'd suggest a newer charger that is designed to handle AGM, or go back to wet cell batteries.
OR, it could simply be a malfunctioning charger.
DannyMarilyn
1991 Newell # 277
RE: Glass Matt Batteries explode - smagown - 09-02-2015
I cooked all six of mine by leaving the two banks merged. A cranking battery was going south and my Outback overcharged the AGM's. I thought since I had a temp probe from the inverter on a house battery that it would shut off with the rising temp but that didn't happen.
I never leave them merged unattended anymore. Expensive lesson.